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Post May 14, 2004, 02:25:01 PM

Helen in Wonderland by Robert Moriyama

Good Job with this one, Robert.<br><br>Can't tell you how much I enjoyed another glimpse into the Mare universe. Characterization and plot were excellent and the martial arts jargon added authenticity in the same way that rapid-fire medical lingo imbues ER with a sense of realism. I'll leave it to the Kung Fubars to pick nits on that count.<br><br>(What? Break a wrist lock with a Floating Hippo? NONSENSE! Bruce would have used the Flatulent Goose!!)<br><br>Not sure if your Moon Cop's TASER was a beam weapon or if it shoots little darts but six-fold gravity would only affect the trajectory of one of these.<br><br>I really like the idea that folks can end up at the Mare Inebrium completely by accident. Could explain a few things. . .Jimmy Hoffa, Ambrose Bierce, etc.<br><br>All in all, Robert, an excellent edition to the Mare collection.<br><br>Bill Wolfe
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Post May 14, 2004, 10:21:23 PM

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I really like the idea that folks can end up at the Mare Inebrium completely by accident. Could explain a few things. . .Jimmy Hoffa, Ambrose Bierce, etc.
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Post May 15, 2004, 08:35:09 PM

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Actually, Claude had a story where he goes to the Mare VIA a doorway between the Men's and the Ladies' restrooms in an un-named local tavern. The door is only sometimes there. ...
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<br><br>Ain't no such thing as an original idea. Anyway, as I said in the story, the Mare is a regular hangout for time travellers, interdimensional travellers (has C'thulhu ever made an appearance? Would anyone notice if he/it did?), and (probably) gods, demons, etc. (or what people have labelled as such). Space-time is probably seriously bent there, so it isn't all that surprising that people and things and thing-like people and people-like things might literally stumble into the place.<br><br>Robert M.
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Post May 16, 2004, 08:26:45 AM

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Great story, as usual Robert. My only question, and sorry for sounding naive, but who were the kids in the time bubble supposed to be? The man with the long scarf, I know, but I couldn't figure out the kids.<br><br>Kevin
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Post May 16, 2004, 10:47:38 AM

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... who were the kids in the time bubble supposed to be?

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<br><br>They were from D.C. Comics's Legion of Super-Heroes. The Time Bubble has been used throughout the comic's several lifetimes. The kid who used magnetic powers to cheat at games was Cosmic Boy; the blonde who acted as translator and erased the bad guy's memory was Saturn Girl; the green guy was Brainiac 5. Of course, they are nameless in the story due to the usual copyright infringement concerns. (I guess "Katherine Janeway" got to keep her name in another Mare story because the Star Trek franchise has been tolerant of fan fiction (wisely, as fans have kept the Trek universe alive for decades).)<br><br>Robert M.
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Post May 16, 2004, 10:57:23 AM

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They were from D.C. Comics's Legion of Super-Heroes.
<br><br>As Homer Simpson likes to say, DOH!. I thought that is who you were talking about, but got confused with the line, <br><br>"Helen could swear that their lip movements were out of synch with their speech, and the blonde girl seemed to be concentrating hard on something whenever the others spoke." <br><br>Kevin<br>

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Post May 16, 2004, 12:25:15 PM

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Well, the DC Comics reference went over my head, but I finished this story to the end and enjoyed it.
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Post May 16, 2004, 03:34:00 PM

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(has C'thulhu ever made an appearance? Would anyone notice if he/it did?), and (probably) gods, demons, etc. (or what people have labelled as such). Space-time is probably seriously bent there, so it isn't all that surprising that people and things and thing-like people and people-like things might literally stumble into the place.

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Post May 19, 2004, 10:09:45 PM

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I haven't been kicking around Aphelion for too long, so I'm not familiar with Mare Inebrium. Even so, I enjoyed the story. Helen in Wonderland was a delightful mix of nonsensical humor, technobabble, kungfubabble, and weird space creatures--all adding up to an enjoyable escape from reality. <br>
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Post May 19, 2004, 10:18:12 PM

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Ain't no such thing as an original idea.  Robert M.
<br><br>Ecclesiastes 1:9 says pretty much the same thing.  Basically it says that everything has already been said and done "...and there is nothing new under the sun."<br>
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Post May 19, 2004, 11:08:36 PM

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Ecclesiastes 1:9 says pretty much the same thing. Basically it says that everything has already been said and done "...and there is nothing new under the sun."
<br><br>Speaking of which, have you read the Roger Zelazny classic story, "A Rose for Ecclesiastes"?
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Post May 19, 2004, 11:42:47 PM

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Speaking of which, have you read the Roger Zelazny classic story, "A Rose for Ecclesiastes"?
<br><br>Not yet. But Zelazny is one of my favorites, and I'll make it a point to look it up.
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Post June 02, 2004, 02:31:35 PM

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excellent story and a solid read. just watched animatrix a couple of days ago, and was still in a virtual, what-is-real mood when reading this, so it all fit.<br>frankly, that's why i figured the magnetism boy was that kid from the matrix quipping "there is no spoon"...<br>anyway, good to see more MI stuff, it's an intirguing concept. the bar was also highly convincing, and kinda made me hanker for a drink. so it's off to mos eisley then?<br><br>Lee
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Post June 02, 2004, 03:59:21 PM

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anyway, good to see more MI stuff, it's an intirguing concept. the bar was also highly convincing, and kinda made me hanker for a drink. so it's off to mos eisley then?

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Post June 03, 2004, 06:13:13 PM

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seven times..ooh, brutal. the CD sounds awesome as well, why not go mainstream and publish the thing for everybody to enjoy?<br><br>Lee
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Post June 04, 2004, 08:19:59 AM

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Oh, the CD *is* pretty cool. I redid some graphics for an index page. And all the illos for the stories are intact. I intend to keep tweaking it until I get it set the way I want.<br>As for selling the thing- the Trek references in several of the stories would get me sued! Online and free is one thing, selling hardcopies is quite another. And there are other similar situations with other copyrighted characters. The only way it would work would be if I re-edited each story to make those problem character references more vague. Otherwise, I'd have to leave some stories out. I hate to do that, some of them are important to the series. <br>My favorite part about editing the series is when writers add to the mythos. They ask me questions and force me to invent answers. Then they look over my answers, take what appeals to them, and *run* with it! Gives me a really good feeling.<br>Dan<br>
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Post June 05, 2004, 12:21:04 PM

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<br>I'll add coments in stages, because there's been work on this topic when I wasn't looking. <br><br>A CD labeling kit is as inexpensive as being willin to use SQUARE labels instead of round ones, then you buy the labels from Staples for about $7, and MicroSatan Excel can correctly space the text :) <br><br>You could probably get Xlibris to do a workup, but that costs you money to start, vs speculation on how many sales you might get. <br><br>And the third option is Parnassus, the traditional Publishing Mountain, but I wonder if the leeway we have might cause some trouble with a few stories if you went full commercial. <br><br>So Does Dan want to do the WORK of burning Mare CD's for members.... That's the real question. <br>(His health already failed under the strain of Apehelion once.) <br><br>hmm. <br><br>--TaoPhoenix

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Post June 05, 2004, 12:28:37 PM

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<br>Mare might start to have the problem Trek eventually did ... <br><br>Once you prove a resource to extricate oneself out of trouble , it theoretically becomes known in the Mare universe for having just that effect. <br><br>I understand, but am saddened by, writers who create plot devices, and force themselves to overlook at particularly subtle trick discovered erlier that would "take the fun out of the danger". <br><br>"Well, You could shoot Dan, and reincarnate him through the Unicorn Dupliation Ritual, using the organic remains of a half finished Steak plate and a molecular reconfiguration software. The software is created from a live subject, therefore it predated the pain of the bullet, and so Dan will not recall any pain either. So if Dan didn't die, and never recalls being shot, it's not murder. Defense rests." <br><br>--TaoPhoenix

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Post June 15, 2004, 03:33:15 PM

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sorry for taking my sweet time in posting...Dan, is the possibility of approaching copyright holders with an eye for a collaborative effort even feasible?<br><br>Lee

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Post September 11, 2004, 11:28:18 AM

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"Well, You could shoot Dan, and reincarnate him through the Unicorn Dupliation Ritual, using the organic remains of a half finished Steak plate
<br><br>Ah yes, but what if it were a moose steak rather than a beef steak? That completely changes the equation, and that's not even taking into account Heinz 57 sauce. :P<br><br>Kevin<br>
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Post September 12, 2004, 08:07:34 AM

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sorry for taking my sweet time in posting...Dan, is the possibility of approaching copyright holders with an eye for a collaborative effort even feasible?

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<br><br>I seriously doubt it. Crossover and walk-on characters in the Mare stories must run to nearly a thousand by now. If not more. I couldn't even afford the lawyer to look up the relevant contact info, much less pay the various copyright holders. As much as I'd like to see a book of Mare stories, or even a CD, I doubt a Mare publication would be feasible unless some publisher condesends to buy some of my other stuff first. *Then* the resources to cut the necessary deals would be available.<br>Dan<br>
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Post September 14, 2004, 04:53:13 PM

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I seriously doubt it. Crossover and walk-on characters in the Mare stories must run to nearly a thousand by now.
<br><br>There are quite a number of stories that do not have walk-on characters. Would it not be possible to put a book together that (and I hate to say it) omitted the walk-on stories, or even ask the author of those stories to edit out the walk-on characters, to make it publishable?<br><br>Kevin
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Post September 14, 2004, 06:13:00 PM

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There are quite a number of stories that do not have walk-on characters. Would it not be possible to put a book together that (and I hate to say it) omitted the walk-on stories, or even ask the author of those stories to edit out the walk-on characters, to make it publishable?
<br>Wouldn't it be more advisable to first start with market research, and measure the size of a potential audience?<br><br>I spent some time as a marketing manager. That's usually the first step in a successful strategy.<br><br>(I didn't mean it! That just slipped out! I'm still one of the Creative guys! Get away from me with that wooden steak... AAAAHH!)<br><br>Nate
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Post September 14, 2004, 07:53:21 PM

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Wouldn't it be more advisable to first start with market research, and measure the size of a potential audience?

I spent some time as a marketing manager. That's usually the first step in a successful strategy.

(I didn't mean it! That just slipped out! I'm still one of the Creative guys! Get away from me with that wooden steak... AAAAHH!)

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Post September 14, 2004, 09:08:03 PM

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Wooden steak? See what comes of restricting beef imports from Canada?
<br>Doh!<br><br>[Chagrin]<br>That's what I get for typing while I'm hungry. :-[
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Post September 14, 2004, 09:58:33 PM

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There are quite a number of stories that do not have walk-on characters. Would it not be possible to put a book together that (and I hate to say it) omitted the walk-on stories, or even ask the author of those stories to edit out the walk-on characters, to make it publishable?

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