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Post April 13, 2013, 01:14:12 PM

April issue

Despite Lester's seed-planting and comments by Lester and Verse (and a few by me), the comments have been pretty thin this month. Mark commented on poetry, but mostly posted in his own topics.

LAST CHANCE: we hope to put the April edition online around the 15th, so you have a few more days to access the stories and poems easily... Let us (and the authors) know you're out there!
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Post April 13, 2013, 01:39:13 PM

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Apologies, Robert. I usually try to get at these sooner; been having some unusual issues at home.

Of course, that doesn't explain where everyone else has been . . .

SUBMIT, DAMMIT!! :lol:
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Post April 13, 2013, 08:23:22 PM

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Lester Curtis wrote:Apologies, Robert. I usually try to get at these sooner; been having some unusual issues at home.

Of course, that doesn't explain where everyone else has been . . .

SUBMIT, DAMMIT!! :lol:


Hey, that's bottomdweller's tag line. Hello, plagiarism police? We have a Code Pi in progress...
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Post April 14, 2013, 01:34:35 AM

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Robert_Moriyama wrote:...Mark commented on poetry, but mostly posted in his own topics.

Hey, I've just added the total post count and not including Lester's thread openings, I've made the most posts for this edition (16 to your 8 Robert)...that IS in addition to my charity work at the lost and forgotten editor's retirement home. 8)

If you've got the next issue put to bed, why don't you show us how critiques are done and comment yourself on the stories you've already read.
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Post April 14, 2013, 04:54:57 AM

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Lester Curtis wrote:SUBMIT, DAMMIT!! :lol:

Shouldn't that be: "KNEEL before Zod!"?
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Post April 14, 2013, 08:17:49 AM

Re: April issue

Mark Edgemon wrote:
Robert_Moriyama wrote:...Mark commented on poetry, but mostly posted in his own topics.

Hey, I've just added the total post count and not including Lester's thread openings, I've made the most posts for this edition (16 to your 8 Robert)...that IS in addition to my charity work at the lost and forgotten editor's retirement home. 8)

If you've got the next issue put to bed, why don't you show us how critiques are done and comment yourself on the stories you've already read.


If we don't count posts where you promote your business, or multiple posts to the same topic (Lipinski), then what do we get? It's funny that you still post to Spam Parody, when by your own admission, you use Aphelion as a substitute for advertising.
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Post April 14, 2013, 10:59:40 AM

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Mark Edgemon wrote:...If you've got the next issue put to bed, why don't you show us how critiques are done and comment yourself on the stories you've already read.

I guess asking you to comment on stories IS asking a bit much. It is more pleasurable for you to give tongue lashings to the few of those that are left.

Robert Moriyama wrote:If we don't count posts where you promote your business, or multiple posts to the same topic (Lipinski), then what do we get? It's funny that you still post to Spam Parody, when by your own admission, you use Aphelion as a substitute for advertising.

If you subtract the 4 posts to Robin Lipinski, I still have posted more to this edition. That included thoughtful commentaries to 6 poems and encouraging writers.

I sure hope you don't post something snarly to run Robin off, like you did R. H. Fay. Swapping original poems with Robin, his poetry games with Iain, me and Lester, not only heightens the value of this site, but our abilities as well.


You're the only person I know that bitch and moan when people ARE doing what you ask them to do.

The few spam parody posts were in regards to the spam that got through the other day.

You say that by my own admission, Aphelion is an advertising paradise? The dozen or so people that are here at any one time are either my friends - or you (if you weren't so perpetually negative, we could get along). True, I have produced audio stories for some of the writers here; Dan, Nate, Richard, David Jones and Chris Callahan, but I never charged them, it was to encourage their writing. Nothing more.

Instead of fuming over what me or others are doing or not doing - why don't you lead by example!
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Post April 14, 2013, 11:45:07 AM

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Mark Edgemon wrote:...If you've got the next issue put to bed, why don't you show us how critiques are done and comment yourself on the stories you've already read.

I guess asking you to comment on stories IS asking a bit much. It is more pleasurable for you to give tongue lashings to the few of those that are left.

Robert Moriyama wrote:If we don't count posts where you promote your business, or multiple posts to the same topic (Lipinski), then what do we get? It's funny that you still post to Spam Parody, when by your own admission, you use Aphelion as a substitute for advertising.

If you subtract the 4 posts to Robin Lipinski, I still have posted more to this edition. That included thoughtful commentaries to 6 poems and encouraging writers.

I sure hope you don't post something snarly to run Robin off, like you did R. H. Fay. Swapping original poems with Robin, his poetry games with Iain, me and Lester, not only heightens the value of this site, but our abilities as well.


You're the only person I know that bitch and moan when people ARE doing what you ask them to do.

The few spam parody posts were in regards to the spam that got through the other day.

You say that by my own admission, Aphelion is an advertising paradise? The dozen or so people that are here at any one time are either my friends - or you (if you weren't so perpetually negative, we could get along). True, I have produced audio stories for some of the writers here; Dan, Nate, Richard, David Jones and Chris Callahan, but I never charged them, it was to encourage their writing. Nothing more.

Instead of fuming over what me or others are doing or not doing - why don't you lead by example!


You keep mentioning how you produced audio stories for a few authors... over and over again... You complain that I don't lead by example -- well, IT AIN'T MY JOB TO COMMENT, it's my job to edit and put the stories online. The authors know what I think, what I liked and didn't like. (The authors I reject also get some useful comments, which, according to your theory, is a bad thing.)

The Mark Edgemon philosophy begins and ends with "That which amuses or benefits Mark is good, and should be mandatory." Never giving negative comments to anybody is how you get the rejects from the audition rounds of the TV talent competitions. You get people who should never sing or dance in public being told that they are terrible, and they react with outrage because NOBODY HAS EVER TOLD THEM THEY AREN'T GOOD. Let's see some posts from you that aren't self-congratulatory (oh, if only those bums had done things my way, I could get THREE million hits per month at the website I don't update! And we could all fart rainbows! But they won't listen to me, the fools!) Your arrogance when I dared to reject one of your stories long ago has not faded with time -- it's just developed a few layers of false modesty. Maybe the reason we aren't recovering in terms of commenters is YOU -- maybe seeing that Mark Edgemon has posted more of his opinions and poems and jokes is NOT a selling point.

You're the only person that bitchES and moans that people don't do what YOU think they should do, and does it again, and again, even after an issue HAS been addressed. Always ready to offer unqualified advice on how other people feel, never willing to examine your own behavior and attitudes.

Anybody out there miss R. H. Fay? Like Mark, he felt that Aphelion should be what HE wanted it to be, and anyone who questioned it was Unworthy of his Divine Presence. (NOT USE GMAIL? How DARE you suggest that I do anything to help with a problem! (He was wrong, in any case -- I wanted NEW members to avoid using the most common spam domains (gmail, yahoo, aol)).
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Post April 14, 2013, 11:51:47 AM

Re: April issue

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Lester Curtis wrote:SUBMIT, DAMMIT!! :lol:

Shouldn't that be: "KNEEL before Zod!"?

Good laugh there. I like that better; too bad it isn't relevant to anything here.
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Post April 14, 2013, 12:50:13 PM

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Robert_Moriyama wrote: You keep mentioning how you produced audio stories for a few authors... over and over again... You complain that I don't lead by example -- well, IT AIN'T MY JOB TO COMMENT, it's my job to edit and put the stories online.

Leading by example was referring to your negativity such as these posts. Notice how the other editors conduct themselves.

But why not post story comments, so we all can learn from them. Is there a problem taking a short amount of time to give us the benefit of your thoughts on the stories?

In the previous post, it sounded like you were saying I was advertising for audio book/story business and I was refuting that, by saying all of the ones I have done for members here, have been produced free. Doesn't make sense to advertise for business that I'm planning on giving away.

Robert_Moriyama wrote:The authors know what I think, what I liked and didn't like. (The authors I reject also get some useful comments, which, according to your theory, is a bad thing.)

Is not bad to critique, just to make fun of a writer or his work.

I stick with commenting on poetry, like some others here, because I know it better. I leave the negative comments to you, cause you do them so well - and frequent.

Robert_Moriyama wrote: The Mark Edgemon philosophy begins and ends with "That which amuses or benefits Mark is good, and should be mandatory."

The dozen or more times I tried to get you to do something about the spam throughout the last year, was NOT to benefit me, but the site. Whether prideful or lazy, you did little to find a solution, you just kept stamping out the spam posts. Many of the suggestions I made was taken from managment of other forum sites, with links to their set up, showing how they defeated the problem. You ignored them. If it wasn't for the courage of one person, I'm sure we'd still be knee deep in them.

Robert_Moriyama wrote: Never giving negative comments to anybody is how you get the rejects from the audition rounds of the TV talent competitions. You get people who should never sing or dance in public being told that they are terrible, and they react with outrage because NOBODY HAS EVER TOLD THEM THEY AREN'T GOOD.

Negative reinforcement is not how I treat a writer's work. But that's just me. There are plenty of others in life who do it.

Robert_Moriyama wrote: Let's see some posts from you that aren't self-congratulatory (oh, if only those bums had done things my way, I could get THREE million hits per month at the website I don't update!

The purpose of MY site, is to give examples of my work for prospective business. Also, I have republished other writer's works - to encourage them. It is not an active site, but a promotional tool.

Robert_Moriyama wrote: And we could all fart rainbows! But they won't listen to me, the fools!) Your arrogance when I dared to reject one of your stories long ago has not faded with time -- it's just developed a few layers of false modesty. Maybe the reason we aren't recovering in terms of commenters is YOU -- maybe seeing that Mark Edgemon has posted more of his opinions and poems and jokes is NOT a selling point.

I'm sure your gaseous expulsions are not multi-colored.

Well, comments ARE opinions, Robert.

Davidson Hero and Robin Lipinski have both told me my poetry has inspired them in the last few days through posts and pms. Others have ongoing. Isn't this what YOU are suppose to do Robert, inspire by example.

Robert_Moriyama wrote:You're the only person that bitchES and moans that people don't do what YOU think they should do, and does it again, and again, even after an issue HAS been addressed. Always ready to offer unqualified advice on how other people feel, never willing to examine your own behavior and attitudes.

True, I have offered suggestions time and again. So, what's your point? That I care? Cause if I didn't, I wouldn't.

Robert_Moriyama wrote: Anybody out there miss R. H. Fay? Like Mark, he felt that Aphelion should be what HE wanted it to be, and anyone who questioned it was Unworthy of his Divine Presence. (NOT USE GMAIL? How DARE you suggest that I do anything to help with a problem! (He was wrong, in any case -- I wanted NEW members to avoid using the most common spam domains (gmail, yahoo, aol)).

R. H. Fay submitted poetry and plugged his poetry work to other sites on Administrivia. That was what he was interested in and that is how he participated in this site.

But, you should not be publicly ridiculing anyone...ever! You should be above that as - editor - don't you agree?

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Post April 14, 2013, 01:07:27 PM

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Wormtongue wrote:
Lester Curtis wrote:SUBMIT, DAMMIT!! :lol:

Shouldn't that be: "KNEEL before Zod!"?

Good laugh there. I like that better; too bad it isn't relevant to anything here.

Yeah, that reminds me of those Superman movies. Christopher Reeve - still the best!
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Post April 14, 2013, 01:48:22 PM

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Mark Edgemon wrote:
Robert_Moriyama wrote: You keep mentioning how you produced audio stories for a few authors... over and over again... You complain that I don't lead by example -- well, IT AIN'T MY JOB TO COMMENT, it's my job to edit and put the stories online.

Leading by example was referring to your negativity such as these posts. Notice how the other editors conduct themselves.

But why not post story comments, so we all can learn from them. Is there a problem taking a short amount of time to give us the benefit of your thoughts on the stories?

In the previous post, it sounded like you were saying I was advertising for audio book/story business and I was refuting that, by saying all of the ones I have done for members here, have been produced free. Doesn't make sense to advertise for business that I'm planning on giving away.

Robert_Moriyama wrote:The authors know what I think, what I liked and didn't like. (The authors I reject also get some useful comments, which, according to your theory, is a bad thing.)

Is not bad to critique, just to make fun of a writer or his work.

I stick with commenting on poetry, like some others here, because I know it better. I leave the negative comments to you, cause you do them so well - and frequent.

Robert_Moriyama wrote: The Mark Edgemon philosophy begins and ends with "That which amuses or benefits Mark is good, and should be mandatory."

The dozen or more times I tried to get you to do something about the spam throughout the last year, was NOT to benefit me, but the site. Whether prideful or lazy, you did little to find a solution, you just kept stamping out the spam posts. Many of the suggestions I made was taken from managment of other forum sites, with links to their set up, showing how they defeated the problem. You ignored them. If it wasn't for the courage of one person, I'm sure we'd still be knee deep in them.

Robert_Moriyama wrote: Never giving negative comments to anybody is how you get the rejects from the audition rounds of the TV talent competitions. You get people who should never sing or dance in public being told that they are terrible, and they react with outrage because NOBODY HAS EVER TOLD THEM THEY AREN'T GOOD.

Negative reinforcement is not how I treat a writer's work. But that's just me. There are plenty of others in life who do it.

Robert_Moriyama wrote: Let's see some posts from you that aren't self-congratulatory (oh, if only those bums had done things my way, I could get THREE million hits per month at the website I don't update!

The purpose of MY site, is to give examples of my work for prospective business. Also, I have republished other writer's works - to encourage them. It is not an active site, but a promotional tool.

Robert_Moriyama wrote: And we could all fart rainbows! But they won't listen to me, the fools!) Your arrogance when I dared to reject one of your stories long ago has not faded with time -- it's just developed a few layers of false modesty. Maybe the reason we aren't recovering in terms of commenters is YOU -- maybe seeing that Mark Edgemon has posted more of his opinions and poems and jokes is NOT a selling point.

I'm sure your gaseous expulsions are not multi-colored.

Well, comments ARE opinions, Robert.

Davidson Hero and Robin Lipinski have both told me my poetry has inspired them in the last few days through posts and pms. Others have ongoing. Isn't this what YOU are suppose to do Robert, inspire by example.

Robert_Moriyama wrote:You're the only person that bitchES and moans that people don't do what YOU think they should do, and does it again, and again, even after an issue HAS been addressed. Always ready to offer unqualified advice on how other people feel, never willing to examine your own behavior and attitudes.

True, I have offered suggestions time and again. So, what's your point? That I care? Cause if I didn't, I wouldn't.

Robert_Moriyama wrote: Anybody out there miss R. H. Fay? Like Mark, he felt that Aphelion should be what HE wanted it to be, and anyone who questioned it was Unworthy of his Divine Presence. (NOT USE GMAIL? How DARE you suggest that I do anything to help with a problem! (He was wrong, in any case -- I wanted NEW members to avoid using the most common spam domains (gmail, yahoo, aol)).

R. H. Fay submitted poetry and plugged his poetry work to other sites on Administrivia. That was what he was interested in and that is how he participated in this site.

But, you should not be publicly ridiculing anyone...ever! You should be above that as - editor - don't you agree?


Hey Mark -- you win. I just PM'd Dan to tell him to find a replacement for me. Congratulations and good luck.
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Post April 14, 2013, 01:52:54 PM

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Robert_Moriyama wrote:Hey Mark -- you win. I just PM'd Dan to tell him to find a replacement for me. Congratulations and good luck.

Robert,

I fence with you, but I like you. I have no animosity towards you. I would be your friend, if you'd let me.

As far as the other, I wish you well. I mean it.

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Post April 14, 2013, 11:38:21 PM

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I think I'm gonna save this thread in case I ever need material for a Greek tragedy.
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Post April 16, 2013, 04:35:52 AM

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Robert_Moriyama wrote:Hey Mark -- you win. I just PM'd Dan to tell him to find a replacement for me. Congratulations and good luck.

Robert,
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Lester Curtis wrote:I think I'm gonna save this thread in case I ever need material for a Greek tragedy.


Ug. And I regret having missed the fleeting window of time to add my little voice to try to slow all this down. I'll still leave hope for the faint chance that like in the Tom Clancy novel Executive Orders someone can swipe the resignation before it becomes official ... here goes!

Here's also hoping I list out my themes in the right order because I just had a foot-in-mouth scenario at home this week, but it's gotta be better than purposeful silence! I'll do this in a couple of posts because I expect each one will spawn a couple of spinoffs and I think super-long quotes begin to become tiring on the eyes!
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Mark, you're currently one of the fastest responders in this chunk of time, so we need to find ways to harness your energy without igniting drifting tumbleweeds. Underneath all your passion might be a couple of baseline contexts that not enough of us understood before things took a turn this past month. I know, cliche business school words, but I'm trying to make this all as neutral as possible!

1. Post Count Metrics
In various category topics, you've been a leading proponent that for as-yet unclear reasons, the forum responses to the 'zine entries have been thin for a long time now. I think a rather fancy phrase from science called "necessary but not sufficient" applies to the spam - I too am certainly glad the spam is gone - but now we have to figure out the other reasons for the lull!

Unfortunately it was Robert who posted the Post-Metric remark of this month, with one unfortunate phrase, instead of me! I believe if I had posted it, portions of this interchange would have gone differently simply because it would have been me on the other half. And yes, I need to do more in the woodwork!

Toward that goal, I would like to offer you a role that I think would help. I would like to suggest that you keep a running tally on the number of posts by category for the monthly entries. For example Short Stories, Long Fiction (yes, we need more of that!), Poetry, and Features. (Yes, Features are under-appreciated too!). However I feel it is important to keep these aggregate, and not by name in the public post thread, because some 5 of us will have the most posts based on time we have available, so our replies will whip back the fastest.

But the magic I am hoping to uncover/create is that based on a couple of wholly armchair studies of small-group dynamics from two chat based sites I visit, a couple of lead "speed-repliers" such as you and Lester and goshdurnit me when I can focus, suddenly inspires the more casual members to make a remark! This has been some big news in science in the last ten years, called Emergence: you gaze at the individual little elements of some effect, but somehow magic greater than the sum of the parts emerges. That's one of my lead theories to lead a renewal here. You and I and Lester could play off each other in the comments as the early example.

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Post April 16, 2013, 08:57:18 AM

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(Bump to get this back to the top - as my capstone of what I hope can improve things.)
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Post April 16, 2013, 10:56:46 AM

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MY 2 Cents, REALLY????

Just ignore the idiot!
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Post April 16, 2013, 11:45:15 AM

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rick tornello wrote:MY 2 Cents, REALLY????

Just ignore the idiot!

Careful, Rick, you're standing in the middle of a tumbleweed patch.
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Post April 16, 2013, 11:50:05 AM

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rick tornello wrote:MY 2 Cents, REALLY????

Just ignore the idiot!

Careful, Rick, you're standing in the middle of a tumbleweed patch.

I'm taking his advice and ignoring him.
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Post April 16, 2013, 12:01:37 PM

Re: April issue

Mark Edgemon wrote:
Lester Curtis wrote:
rick tornello wrote:MY 2 Cents, REALLY????

Just ignore the idiot!

Careful, Rick, you're standing in the middle of a tumbleweed patch.

I'm taking his advice and ignoring him.


Ah, the Gospel according to Saint Mark. How I will miss the holier-than-anybody sermons from Mount Ego. Mark never does anything that is not motivated by the Greatest Love of All (thanks, Whitney Houston, for identifying its nature). So how many NEW readers or commenters have you attracted, Mark? How much activity away from your pet topics? Your claims to be doing everything for the benefit of the 'zine are contradicted by your own remarks about not having Facebook or other social media pages. Why do you put all your "games" here? Because it's the only place that ANYONE pays any attention to you at all. My resignation must come as the crowning achievement of your tenure here, unctuous and clearly insincere protestations to the contrary.

Yes, careful Rick. You could get stuck in the quagmire of self-admiration if you stray into the Edgemon zone.
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Post April 16, 2013, 12:17:27 PM

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Robert_Moriyama wrote:...My resignation must come as the crowning achievement of your tenure here...

No Robert, it does not.

I'm going to take a moment and tell you what I really think.

I admire your intellect, your dedication to your job and your willingness to spar with me on occassion. I have no animosity towards you and think of you in favorable terms.

If I didn't care about this publication, I wouldn't be here, make suggestions and contribute time.

I DO have good feelings about you, Rick and others who do not agree with me. It's okay to disagree and fight for what you believe. Let us all drop the petty insults. We can get past this.

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Post April 16, 2013, 02:19:36 PM

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Let us all drop the petty insults.
I second that.
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